Comments on Virtual Suburbia: Failte go d'ti Dublin

What a load of bollox.

2006-09-26T16:15:11.783-07:00

What a load of bollox.

"Or is he something more, solving problems, having...

2006-08-12T06:53:09.383-07:00

"Or is he something more, solving problems, having epiphanies, suggesting changes?"

Thank you Prok. I've been searching for that phrase for some time :)

Sukran is shown as the creator of the buildings, I...

2006-08-12T01:00:54.573-07:00

Sukran is shown as the creator of the buildings, I believe nearly all of them in Dublin. That's how the tools work in SL permissions.

There's a fine tradition of developers commissioning builds in SL. Still, somehow in the pre-big-business era, the builder/architect himself or herself would have the spotline shone on them more fully, somehow. They'd be people who had built up their own reputations in various ways. I see that changing now.

And I do wonder about the difference in what Shukran got paid for this job, and Boliver Oddfellow got paid, let's say. Because, sure, concept, design, funding, inspiration, that's all important in a project. But the architect's work is the lasting and visible memorial.

I'm also interested to contemplate what virtual prototyping/simulation really involves in the end. Is a builder in the virtual world just a builder, a kind of stone mason, taking the blue prints of his betters and grunting away on the XYZ axis just pushing prims?

Or is he something more, solving problems, having epiphanies, suggesting changes?

An architect conceives of a building and builds it, but in the SL context he often hires helpers to do the grunt work, just as in RL this was done, because of the time-consuming work of the SL tools.

...and as a further ommission, I need to credit Ka...

2006-06-29T02:01:17.566-07:00

...and as a further ommission, I need to credit Kal Hocken with some of the more intricate and interesting items in Dublin, not least being the superb rendition of the Famine statue in St. Stephens Green. Kal continues to adjust and add to Dublin's build.

Well, I REALLY need to set the record straight her...

2006-06-28T17:36:36.853-07:00

Well, I REALLY need to set the record straight here. I commissioned the building of Dublin , being a native of the city. My project team for the build consisted of Boliver Oddfellow and Sitearm Madonna. They went in search of a builder who they felt could do the project justice and found Shukran. Because Shukran was in the UK at the time, I suggested we meet in RL Dublin, so I could ensure Shuk had a good " feel" for the city. To me , this was the element that provided Shukran with most of his inspiration to produce the magnificant build he did. Let me make this VERY clear. The concept and financing was mine, the organisation was Boliver and Sitearms, but the Creativity was all Shukrans, and I would never take anything of that from him.It is hurtful for me to see suggestions in subesquent blogs that I was somehow taking credit for Shukrans work.

As commented over at Hamlet's blog, Boliver and Ha...

2006-06-28T16:00:09.056-07:00

As commented over at Hamlet's blog, Boliver and Ham did credit Shukran as the main builder and mentioned that they flew him to Dublin to gather reference material for the sim. This was an unintentional oversight on my part not to include Shukran in my post, and will be corrected.

I saw Dublin built from start to finish. Shuk desi...

2006-06-28T15:57:46.950-07:00

I saw Dublin built from start to finish. Shuk designed it and planned it and lovingly built it. He wants no credit, he just loves to build, but I think it's just polite to give him a mention, don't you?

I didn't even know someone besides Shukran worked ...

2006-06-28T15:38:10.740-07:00

I didn't even know someone besides Shukran worked on it. I guess Boliver and Ham should get a little credit, they funded it didn't they? But as far as what you see, and what you enjoy looking at in Dublin is all Shukran. No Shukran No Dublin. Without him as builder it could have been a defunked project.

This seems to be the result of project managers ta...

2006-06-28T15:24:56.226-07:00

This seems to be the result of project managers taking WAAAAAAY more credit than deserved. I'm personal friends with Shukran, he lived with me during the first half of the build, and I know that was building nearly everything solo during that time (he moved outta country during the second half of the build... so I'm uncertain who he acquired to help with the build during that time).
It would certainly serve Boliver and Ham well to give props where props are do. Seriously.

The efforts of Shukran Fahid should be mentioned, ...

2006-06-28T15:11:24.050-07:00

The efforts of Shukran Fahid should be mentioned, considering that he personally built the majority (probably even more) of the sim.